Responsible And Sustainable AI Innovation: Dr. Michael May, Head of Core Technology, Data Analytics & AI at Siemens, In Conversation With Dinis Guarda At AI With Purpose Summit 2024
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In Dinis Guarda's YouTube podcast series, he interviews Dr. Michael May, Head of Core Technology, Data Analytics & AI at Siemens, discusses the transformative role of AI in industries and the innovative approach of Siemens to make AI industrial grade, ethical, and sustainable. The episode is powered by Businessabc.net and citiesabc.com.
Dr. Michael May is a leader in AI, data analytics, and machine learning. He is spearheading Siemens' transformative journey in technological innovation as the Head of Company Core Technology, Data Analytics & AI. Rooted in impactful research across Europe, Dr. May has overseen major projects funded by the European Commission and collaborated with more than 120 universities.
During the interview, Michael highlights the concept of industrial AI: “In a broad sense what we mean by Industrial AI is this is our playing field and now the task we have at Siemens is taking the AI, which is there, has great promise in many areas and can be applied in many different areas to make it useful for the industrial space.
In the consumer space, it means making products which are safe under industrial standards. This also has to do with uh getting products that get certified by the authorities.”
Innovations at Siemens: Ensuring a responsible AI for all
With AI shaping and transforming our lives, Siemens recognises the imperative of addressing governance and ethical considerations. Dr. Michael May highlighted Siemens' proactive approach to AI regulation, stating:
“AI regulation is a topic you must deal with, if you want or not. You will not be able to, in a short period from now, deliver products to customers which do not somehow give an answer as to how do I make it safe, how do I make it responsible, how do I meet the privacy requirements attached to that. You need some level of governance that you have to address. You need to have answers why your system is secure.
Siemens, for a couple of years now, is working on that - preparing for regulation, but also trying to seize the opportunities that give you to build systems which are industry grade, i.e., comply with the upcoming regulations.
If your customers know what you’re building is safe, and it does comply with all the regulations, then they might be inclined to buy your products or use your products with more confidence.
On the other side, of course, we have to see that we do not overdo it. If there's too much of it, then it can become a burden for innovation. It can make the production process much more lengthy, more expensive.
We need to be absolutely clear about whether we need to have regulation which is good for innovation still and on the other side you keep things trustworthy. Build things or aim to build things which are safe and trustworthy even without external regulation.”
Generative AI is also known for its ability to hallucinate. As Michael explains:
“Hallucination is the number one problem we have to solve to make AI industry grade, or generative AI industry grade. Hallucination means that the machine can come up with what it thinks is correct but which in fact are hallucinations, so it dreams or it hallucinates. This, of course, in a safety critical environment can be a big problem.”
He further elaborates the ways to tackle this problem:
“AI is not just generative AI. It is not just machine learning or deep learning but has many facets. There's the one which is more, what is called inductive or probabilistic, based on inference, and which might sometimes be wrong. And then the more logic-based part that can give you these guarantees and one very practical way we do that is to bring in the domain knowledge.
Industrial companies have a lot which we structure in the form of what is called knowledge graphs. A Knowledge Graph is a formalism where you can model terminology knowledge, ontologies for example, and where you can also structure fact-based knowledge in a way that if your representation is correct then all the inferences you make from that are also correct because it's based on logic and not so much on probabilistic.”
To instil trust and security in generative industrial grade AI, Michael says, Siemens emphasises the rule-based governance systems and application of knowledge graphs and logic-based things. He says:
“Explainable AI is a big topic these days and you can use that to increase the trust in AI. Then another pretty conventional thing is that you closely work with the domain experts and provide one layer of security or safety around the AI you're building. So, you build AI, you use things like reinforcement learning which is a quite advanced methodology, which, for example, we have been using for years with our colleagues from Siemens Energy to control the working of the gas turbine.
But then you work with the engineers from the domain and build some kind of virtual safety net around that to make sure that nothing can happen, and which is understandable for the domain experts and that takes a lot of effort and interdisciplinary teams to make that work. This is sometimes in an academic environment and totally underestimated.
So you think you build an algorithm and once you've built the algorithm then the thing should work, but sometimes it's a couple of years, maybe even, that you have to work on making a good idea which works in principle to really make it work in practice so that it's safe to use.”
Siemens and partners: Collaborative innovation in AI
Collaboration forms the cornerstone of Siemens' AI strategy, extending beyond industry alliances to encompass partnerships with global corporations and educational institutions. Dr. Michael May emphasised the significance of these collaborations, stating:
“With all the different things today in the space of AI, there's no possibility to do it all alone. You need partners and ecosystems to work with. In the case of the large language model, it's well known that Siemens announced a partnership with Microsoft to be as fast as possible with products in that space and so their collaboration is a good way.
But, it didn't limit itself just to going with Microsoft but also with AWS, for example, and NVIDIA for the industrial metaverse. Having good partnerships is absolutely key with the big players.
But then on the other hand also with the universities. We're closely working in many countries with the universities, where the talent in the end comes from. If you cut off from that you will never be state-of-the-art. So lots of innovation is done in university collaboration with PhDs and also the startups like you see here at the AI With Purpose Summit. They are all over the place offering AI Solutions that are not Siemens solutions but which improve what we can offer. So these kinds of ecosystems nowadays are the key.”
Advancing into the future with industrial grade AI
Looking ahead, Siemens envisions a future where AI plays a pivotal role in building smarter cities worldwide. Dr. Michael May expressed optimism about AI's evolving capabilities:
“The development will go on quite quickly and you can well extrapolate from now. I mean now we have these large language models, we have Vision models, we have first forms of multimodality, and I think step after step we will cover all the other modalities which are relevant like thinking in Time series, thinking in terms of space and geometries. So, it will be even more like our human brains. We will also have all these modalities we can talk, we can hear, we can see, can think about space and time, step by step will be incorporated into these multimodal foundation models and that will be a big step forward in terms of capability. Not just adding one by one and one, but it's exponentially more powerful if you have all the combinations of reasoning and seeing and speaking.
I'm always a friend of seeing AI as an intelligence amplifier, not as a replacement for a person. So, I think for the time to come, the most successful teams will be those that consist of humans and machines with different functionality, with different tasks and we need to learn. There's a lot to learn for us how to take best advantage of the machines and I better do it myself.
AI, I think, will determine the future in the next few years as to how the industrial world will be working. I think it's not about replacing humans. We see how difficult this is to do the last bit so the last percentage or milli percentage of automation for all our processes.”
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